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Welcome to the Belt Style Podcast.
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To make your home absolutely beautiful.
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Welcome to the Belk Tile Podcast.
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Here's your host, Mike Belk.
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Hey there, everyone.
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Welcome back to the Belk Tile Podcast.
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I'm Mike, and you know, Abby.
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Good morning, all.
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This is one of those episodes.
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I've been waiting for it.
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We're talking all about the mysterious hollow sound, that weird thud you sometimes get when you walk over tile.
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It kind of makes your heart sink, doesn't it?
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Oh, absolutely.
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And if you've never experienced it, consider yourself lucky.
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But once you've heard that hollow echo underfoot, it's like every step you take, you start imagining busted tiles, water damage, the whole nine yards.
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But before we get into full panic mode, Mike, can you break down what's actually happening under that tile?
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Yeah, so when we say a tile sounds hollow, what we're really talking about is a gap or void between the tile and what's beneath it, the substrate.
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Basically, the adhesive didn't get full coverage when the tile was set, so there's an air pocket.
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It might be from the installer missing a spot, not pressing the tile down enough, or maybe the surface wasn't prepped right to begin with.
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And you know, I always tell people that hollow sound, it's a warning sign.
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Not every hollow tile is doomed, but it's not something you want to ignore.
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Right.
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And the risks aren't just about annoying sounds.
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If there's a void, there's not enough support.
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Over time, that movement stresses the tile, the grout, even the subfloor in some cases.
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You can end up with cracked tiles or shifting grout, or worst case, the tiles pop up entirely.
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That hollow sound is your house giving you a nudge, like, hey, check under here.
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Totally.
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And speaking of being nudged, I'll never forget the first time a client called me in a near panic.
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She just remodeled, and about two weeks after she said, Mike, I keep hearing this weird hollow sound in the kitchen.
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Is my floor falling apart?
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Turns out it was just one tile that wasn't fully bonded, but it got her, and honestly me, nervous about what could go wrong if we hadn't caught it.
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Well, that's the thing.
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It's not just about peace of mind, right?
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If you let it go, it can absolutely become a bigger structural issue.
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So let's talk about how people even end up with hollow tiles in the first place.
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Because honestly, so much of this is avoidable if you know what to look for.
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So one major cause?
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Skipping back buttering, which, Mike, you probably see way too often.
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Basically, installers get in a rush and just slather mortar on the floor, stick the tile down, and walk away.
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With bigger tiles, especially if you don't coat the back fully, you're almost guaranteed to have hollow spots later.
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You're not wrong.
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And even beyond back buttering, I've seen poor mortar coverage in general.
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Like you pull a hollow tile and only the corners have adhesive.
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Sometimes it's the wrong trowel size, sometimes it's just rushing.
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Then you've got folks laying tile over dusty, uneven concrete or a subfloor that moves every time you step on it.
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That's asking for trouble from the get-go.
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Yeah, and honestly, it doesn't even have to be a bad installer.
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Sometimes it's just not prepping the surface fully or skipping waterproof membranes in like bathrooms or basements.
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And other times it's using the wrong adhesive for the tile or the conditions.
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Porcelain's heavy, right?
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It needs a specific bond.
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Or in a really humid space, you might need a more moisture-resistant mortar.
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Otherwise, you're setting yourself up for separation down the road.
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And sometimes the building itself is the problem.
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All buildings move, settle, expand, especially with temperature swings.
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If there aren't proper movement joints left, you'll see not just hollow tiles, but pop tiles tenting whole sections coming up.
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So if you're worried you might have hollow tiles, here's the easiest DIY check.
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The tap test.
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Grab the handle of a screwdriver or just a coin and gently tap across the tile surface.
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Solid tiles sound nice and dull, but a hollow one kind of echoes, almost like you're tapping on a drum.
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Yeah, and if you're the kind to go above and beyond, there are other ways.
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Thermal imaging can sometimes pick up voids under floors, though that's kind of overkill for most people.
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Sometimes it's just looking for clues like is the grout cracking or do you see the edges starting to lift?
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Those are big red flags.
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And I gotta bring up that viral Reddit post I saw last week.
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Homeowner noticed a few grout cracks, started tapping, and ended up realizing half his kitchen floor sounded hollow.
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I felt for him.
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They basically had to decide whether to rip everything out or try to patch it.
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As a designer, that's the conversation we have to have with clients.
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Is this a localized issue or is it all over?
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Because the repair path totally changes depending on that call.
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Yeah, and people get defensive.
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Nobody wants to think their brand new floor is at risk.
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But the sooner you diagnose these hollow spots, the more options you have.
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Leaving them just gives time for problems to grow.
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So let's say you've found some hollow tiles, don't panic yet.
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For small areas, the best fix is often drilling a tiny hole in the grout and injecting adhesive or epoxy underneath.
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It's not magic, but it works if just a few tiles are affected and haven't lifted or cracked yet.
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But Abby, you know as well as I do, this isn't always the answer.
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Nope.
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As much as clients wish otherwise, if the problem's widespread like that Reddit guy, sometimes you just have to pull the tiles, fix the substrate, and redo it the right way.
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And for anyone doing a new install, prep is everything.
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Clean, level substrate, back buttering those tiles, especially the big ones, using the right mortar and applying it evenly.
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And if it's a high moisture spot, waterproof membranes and uncoupling layers are worth every penny.
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Exactly.
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Prevention saves so much money and hassle.
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I remember this one time at Belk Tile, a customer called us because her floor sounded hollow whenever she walked by the fridge.
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Turned out a section had barely any mortar.
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We pulled up a couple tiles to check, and it let us fix the problem early, before the homeowner started seeing cracks, or worse, having to replace two rooms worth of tile.
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That initial warning signal actually saved her whole kitchen from disaster.
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And even for small repairs, it's not just about sticking a new tile down.
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Make sure the surface underneath is solid, dry, and dust-free before you touch a thing.
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And don't skip on using the right mortar or adhesive.
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If you're not sure, ask a pro.
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It drives me nuts seeing gorgeous, expensive tiles stuck down with bargain bin glue.
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Or worse, mastic where thin set was actually needed.
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That's just a recipe for doing the job twice.
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Yeah, cheaping out on adhesives or skipping steps is one shortcut that's never worth it.
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And if you're dealing with moisture issues, say a basement or bathroom, you need to address that before fixing the tiles.
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Otherwise, you're just putting a band-aid on a bigger problem.
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If you're in doubt, get a pro in to look for the source because even a perfect repair fails if you miss the root cause.
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Now, even after you've fixed a hollow tile, you have to stay vigilant.
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This is where regular maintenance really pays off.
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I always tell folks, walk your floors, listen for changes.
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If you notice new hollow sounds, tiny grout cracks, or even a little lifting, don't ignore it.
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That's your cue that something's shifting below the surface.
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And if your home has seen some settling, maybe you've noticed new cracks in the walls or doors sticking, maybe it's worth getting a pro to inspect the tiles as well.
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Especially after big renovations, structural shifts, or even heavy storms, a professional can spot things you might miss.
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Sometimes those issues build so gradually you get used to the new normal until it's too late.
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Exactly.
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And beyond the freakout moments, there's the day-to-day.
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Keep tiles clean, stick to gentle pH neutral cleaners, and inspect grout and corners regularly.
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It's such a simple habit, but it helps spot trouble before it costs you.
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Like we talked about in the shower floor episode, noticing a loose tile early is always easier and cheaper than waiting for water to sneak underneath and create chaos.
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Prevention really is the name of the game in tile, isn't it?
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It doesn't have to be an ordeal.
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If you listen to your floors and keep up with basic care, you're cutting off most issues before they ever happen.
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A squeak, a hollow tap, a little grime.
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None of them are scary if you deal with them early.
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Absolutely.
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And if you start hearing those weird sounds or seeing new cracks, don't hesitate.
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A little extra vigilance each year goes a long, long way.
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So before you grab a chisel or call up your neighbor's handyman, take a minute to assess how big is the hollow area.
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If you're not sure or if more than a few tiles are affected, bring in a tile pro.
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It's always better to get an expert's eyes on it so you're not sticking another band-aid on a bigger wound.
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Yeah, and when it comes to materials, don't just grab whatever's at the hardware store.
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Epoxy injections are great for filling small voids.
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Just make sure it's compatible with your tile and substrate.
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If you've got to rebond or replace a tile, specialized mortars or thin sets can make all the difference.
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You want long-term strength, not just a quick patch.
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And if you've got movement in the floor or see cracks spreading, you have to address those structural problems too.
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Otherwise, those hollow tiles will just keep coming back.
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Sometimes it's about fixing the route, like reinforcing a joist, leveling a subfloor, or adding movement joints, so your repairs actually last.
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Think big picture, not just the quick fix.
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Completely agree.
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It's all about a comprehensive plan.
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Even if it means biting the bullet for a more involved repair, it sets you up for decades of worry-free tile.
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Address those underlying issues, use the right adhesive, and your floors will thank you.
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Well, that about wraps it for today's hollow tile saga.
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If your tiles start talking back when you walk across them, don't just cross your fingers, tap test, and take action.
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Anything else before we call it a wrap, Mike?
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Just remember, folks, a hollow sound isn't the end of the world, but it's not something to ignore either.
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Take care of your floors and they'll take care of you.
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We'll be back soon with another episode, maybe diving deeper into repair methods or the next big tile trend.
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Abby, thanks for keeping it real, as always.
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Always a pleasure, Mike.
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Thanks to everyone for tuning in, and don't be shy.
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Send us your hollow tile stories or questions for future episodes.
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Take care, and we'll see you next time.
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